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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:11 pm 
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Now read this carefully because I don't think they know who's actually making them!

http://www.gscalenews.com/2016/11/12/rh ... hn-service

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:59 pm 
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From what I read on the Cadosch forum they will be produced by KISS-MBS. Owner is Günther Kiss, the father of "what's his name" Kiss ( X( ) who runs the show at Kiss Modellbahnen.

KISS Senior has a few other things in the program http://www.kiss-modellbahnservice.com/cms/index.php

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:49 pm 
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Hi HJ,

Was it the father who runs the brass models section (Kiss) and the son who runs the respray department (Kiss MBS)?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:25 pm 
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As far as I know Kiss model railroads dropped the production of the plastic models.
They continued doing brass models produced in Asia.
They had some projects in the pipeline, like the RhB ABe 4/4 II, which was later redesigned and produced by Pullman on the former Kiss design. The TM 2/2 was also announced by Kiss in the past.

Kiss model railroad service only did the repaints of existing models in Poland.
Until now they didn't do any models themselves.
They had som part in the production of the Pullman models.

So why is it that Pullman/ESU doesn't continue the RhB Line?

Are the problems with the zinc rot frames of the Ge 6/6 II solved by Kiss?

It doesn't sound very promising or reliable to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:28 pm 
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Wilco A wrote:
Hi HJ,

Was it the father who runs the brass models section (Kiss) and the son who runs the respray department (Kiss MBS)?

Regards,
Wilco


No, the other way around. ;) Günther Kiss (the Senior) runs KISS MBS; Stefan Kiss (the Junior) runs KISS Modellbahnen.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:05 am 
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That mystery is solved then.

What isn't solved is that of the Ge 6/6 II base plates.
I thought I missed something there, since they are starting again with plastic models.

If I remember correctly Kiss MBS produced the Pullman motorcars in Poland.

I know all about that Kiss Fanclub on the Cadosch forum.
Maybe Andreas is the biggest fan of them all.
He seems very close with the Kiss family.

I'm still glad that I didn't buy any of the Kiss locomotives or cars.
Allthough they brought some models I really did like.
After seeing the first Ge 6/6 II in 2006, I found it too fragile for outdoor use.
Which was proven later on, on an indoor layout of a friend of mine.

So are they going to produce better models and delivering the spare parts and service to it?

Another issue is the scale.
The motorcar is slightly shortened.
They didn't mention anything on this for the Tm 2/2.
So it isn't 1:22,5 scale either.
It is some sort of G scale, what ever that stands for.

So far Ed de Bruin is the only one who builds up to scale models.
Apart from the very expensive Kiss brass model line.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:39 pm 
Wilco and HJ -
So as far as you know, who is producing the Tm 2/2? Is it KISS in metal (as it was originally announced), or KISS Modelbahn Service (KMS) in plastic?

From what it looks like on the website
KISS - Te 2/2 in metal
KMS - Tm 2/2 in plastic

Do you guys agree? Am I reading into this correctly?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:14 pm 
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Yep, that's what it looks like.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:54 am 
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Kiss Modellbahnen
- production of brass models

Scale IIm RhB Te 2/2
http://www.kiss-modellbahnen.de/spur-2m/rangiertraktor-te-22/
Euro 1690,-

Kiss Modellbahn Service
- repainting of existing G scale models
- production of plastic G scale models with some metal parts

G scale RhB Tm 2/2
http://www.kiss-modellbahnservice.com/cms/index.php/2m/66-rhb-tm-2-2-85-90-und-115-120
Euro 695,-


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:00 am 
Very interesting. I wonder if they switched the plastic loco production to another "company" (new name) so people not as informed as us will think it is a completely new company without any of the zinc rot issues or bad publicity of the "original company"??


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Yeah well, Abe Lincoln said it best "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

As far as KISS is concerned, all I want is my 705 fixed and running. Any other product from that source? Nope, I don't need it!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:10 pm 
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Yes this all very interesting--I can't help wondering why the switch back to the plastic after the handoff to Pullman. As much as I like both the announced locos I won't be jumping in anytime soon. As HJ says...once bitten...
Maybe they are thinking that with LGB really scaling back their new RhB items there is a better opportunity--who knows? In the meantime, tea time. :-)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:19 pm 
How is Pullman selling? I honestly don't know how the worldwide reception has been to the Pullman items. If they are selling well, possibly KISS realizes that there is a market for high quality, scale, plastic RhB items and wants a part of it?

I forgot where I saw it, but, I saw somewhere that Pullman was releasing RhB Panoramic passenger cars (same as KISS already released).


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:32 pm 
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Let's see what the Nürnberg Fair presents next year. ;) :ymsmug: :-w

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:16 am 
Looking forward to it as always


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